Quote from the end of the full Barber interview

Jake Barber, at the 2:46:00 mark, says something really important that a few among us have been saying for a long time regarding the woo.

“Why are we relying on these people who have been keeping the secrets to let us in on the secret? Why don’t we make their secrets obsolete by capturing the evidence ourselves and becoming all first-hand experiencers of the phenomenon and the technology, because that’s possible.”